I don't actually remember who my first trade was with. I do know that it was connected with OP magazine, around August 1983. The reviews of tapes in OP generally ended with a price for the tape, and whether the tape was available for trade. So after I put my first tape put together (of pieces created by cassette-to-cassette bouncing), I sent it out to several people whose tapes were for trade. One of the very first trades that came back was from Tom Furgas. He mentioned being impressed with how my recordings seemed to be complete, while remaining very sparse. I remember being impressed with how his recordings seemed to inhabit a world between rock and classical (both traditional and experimental). We're still trading today.